working directory?

Message boards : Number crunching : working directory?

To post messages, you must log in.

AuthorMessage
David

Send message
Joined: 8 Apr 20
Posts: 7
Credit: 2,467,952
RAC: 0
Message 93940 - Posted: 9 Apr 2020, 3:58:16 UTC

Where is Rosetta's working directory, please? The BOINC-manager log doesn't show it. I need to move all BOINC work off the nvme drive.
ID: 93940 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Grant (SSSF)

Send message
Joined: 28 Mar 20
Posts: 1684
Credit: 17,941,438
RAC: 22,992
Message 93943 - Posted: 9 Apr 2020, 4:15:13 UTC - in response to Message 93940.  

I need to move all BOINC work off the nvme drive.
Why?
Unless you plan to muck around with Symlinks or a Hard link etc, set No New Tasks, finish what you have, uninstall BOINC & reinstall it to a different default drive.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 93943 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
David

Send message
Joined: 8 Apr 20
Posts: 7
Credit: 2,467,952
RAC: 0
Message 93945 - Posted: 9 Apr 2020, 4:42:30 UTC

So, you don't know it's working directory?
ID: 93945 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
xii5ku

Send message
Joined: 29 Nov 16
Posts: 22
Credit: 13,815,783
RAC: 105
Message 93946 - Posted: 9 Apr 2020, 5:43:01 UTC
Last modified: 9 Apr 2020, 5:56:30 UTC

Upstream documentation:
https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_Data_directory

On Linux, it is usually /var/lib/boinc or /var/lib/boinc-client.

Edit — if you run boinc as a service, refer to the documentation of your Linux distribution to learn where the service is configured. For example, in Linux Mint 18.3, the boinc-client data directory is configured in /etc/default/boinc-client. You may change it there while the boinc-client service is not running.
ID: 93946 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Grant (SSSF)

Send message
Joined: 28 Mar 20
Posts: 1684
Credit: 17,941,438
RAC: 22,992
Message 93947 - Posted: 9 Apr 2020, 5:47:35 UTC - in response to Message 93945.  

So, you don't know it's working directory?
Nope.
But Google came up with this.

Still curious as to why the need to move.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 93947 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Mod.Sense
Volunteer moderator

Send message
Joined: 22 Aug 06
Posts: 4018
Credit: 0
RAC: 0
Message 93998 - Posted: 9 Apr 2020, 20:14:51 UTC - in response to Message 93947.  

Presumably, the nvme drive can only handle so many writes in it's lifetime. So, move to a drive that doesn't have those physical issues.
Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense
ID: 93998 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Grant (SSSF)

Send message
Joined: 28 Mar 20
Posts: 1684
Credit: 17,941,438
RAC: 22,992
Message 94015 - Posted: 9 Apr 2020, 22:49:30 UTC - in response to Message 93998.  

Presumably, the nvme drive can only handle so many writes in it's lifetime. So, move to a drive that doesn't have those physical issues.
Possibly, which is a rather silly reason to move it.
Even though Rosetta does hammer the disk compared to other projects (and other workloads), the fact is the total amount of writes it does is bugger all of what the drive is capable of dealing with before it eventually dies, in 20 or more years time with much, much heavier use than even Rosetta does with it.
And even then, as Annandtech showed many years ago, even consumer based SSDs will outlast their specified life expectancy, often by a huge margin. It took them 18 months to kill the last of their consumer SSDs, using loads that far exceed any regular desktop's extreme disk usage (yes they were SLC drives, and more recent flash technologies (MLC, TLC & QLC) have less total writes before they will fail. But the software to reduce write amplification, combined with capacities much larger than the tasted drives, means current SSD would probably last longer, even with a heavier load).
The SSD Endurance Experiment
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 94015 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
xii5ku

Send message
Joined: 29 Nov 16
Posts: 22
Credit: 13,815,783
RAC: 105
Message 94048 - Posted: 10 Apr 2020, 9:53:59 UTC - in response to Message 93943.  
Last modified: 10 Apr 2020, 9:57:31 UTC

@Grant (SSSF),
potential reasons to move some or all content of the boinc data directory are very similar to potential reasons to move the operating system, application program applications, data from work or education, or data from spare time activities.

In other words, imagine somebody asked where to find their collection of vacation photos. Would your immediate response be "Why?" too?

The boinc data directory holds client state. There may be various reasons to preserve client state over hardware changes, or just changes to the allocation of hardware resources. Similar to that there are various reasons to preserve client state over a power off/on cycle of the host.
ID: 94048 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
David

Send message
Joined: 8 Apr 20
Posts: 7
Credit: 2,467,952
RAC: 0
Message 94053 - Posted: 10 Apr 2020, 10:23:29 UTC
Last modified: 10 Apr 2020, 10:24:24 UTC

Followed the links, read the descriptions.
Still don't know where Rosetta hides it's working directory.
Debian Linux, Buster (10), 64-bit
ID: 94053 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Grant (SSSF)

Send message
Joined: 28 Mar 20
Posts: 1684
Credit: 17,941,438
RAC: 22,992
Message 94055 - Posted: 10 Apr 2020, 10:29:11 UTC - in response to Message 94048.  

In other words, imagine somebody asked where to find their collection of vacation photos. Would your immediate response be "Why?" too?
Nope. But that is very different to the opening post.
If they had asked "where to find their collection of vacation photos. I need to move all vacation photos off of the nvme drive" then It would have been why.


The boinc data directory holds client state. There may be various reasons to preserve client state over hardware changes, or just changes to the allocation of hardware resources. Similar to that there are various reasons to preserve client state over a power off/on cycle of the host.
And they could have answered that.
I would rather help someone, if possible, than just let them go ahead and do something completely unnecessary & pointless and waste all that time and effort for no benefit.
But without a response, there's no way of knowing if there really was a need to move the installation or not.
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 94055 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
David

Send message
Joined: 8 Apr 20
Posts: 7
Credit: 2,467,952
RAC: 0
Message 94056 - Posted: 10 Apr 2020, 10:36:38 UTC - in response to Message 94055.  

Grant, help, don't help.
It's not up to you to decide how I configure my systems.
Thank you for playing.
ID: 94056 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
Profile Grant (SSSF)

Send message
Joined: 28 Mar 20
Posts: 1684
Credit: 17,941,438
RAC: 22,992
Message 94057 - Posted: 10 Apr 2020, 10:39:00 UTC - in response to Message 94056.  

Grant, help, don't help.
And knowing why people do things makes it easier to help, now and in the future.
*shrug*
Grant
Darwin NT
ID: 94057 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote
MarkJ

Send message
Joined: 28 Mar 20
Posts: 72
Credit: 25,238,680
RAC: 0
Message 94064 - Posted: 10 Apr 2020, 11:27:01 UTC - in response to Message 94053.  
Last modified: 10 Apr 2020, 11:37:25 UTC

Followed the links, read the descriptions.
Still don't know where Rosetta hides it's working directory.
Debian Linux, Buster (10), 64-bit

BOINC under Debian uses /var/lib/boinc-client. Under that there is a projects folder and then one for each project you’ve signed up to. However when BOINC is running a task it will use the slots folder and allocate a folder under there for each running task. There is no project specific working directory. That is you’ll end up with as many slot folders as you run tasks at the same time. The slot folders are cleaned up as each task finishes.

For what it’s worth all my number crunchers have NVMe drives as their local storage. I have set the checkpoint interval in BOINC to 300 seconds for them as well as keeping apps in memory, my i7-8700’s have 32GB of memory.
BOINC blog
ID: 94064 · Rating: 0 · rate: Rate + / Rate - Report as offensive    Reply Quote

Message boards : Number crunching : working directory?



©2024 University of Washington
https://www.bakerlab.org