Perhaps folks would like suggest ideas...? (for project URL)

This subject is an important question, but off topic. If the project is going to change the URL, please let me know before I buy 10,000 bumper stickers that promote a URL that's been changed. Just my $2k worth (the approximate cost of that many bumper stickers).

Are you seriously considering this expenditure? Well, if you are, then good on you.

I just proffer a few good ideas (I hope they're good, some are adopted anyway) but if you are laying out money then you are the hero of the year...

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Are you seriously considering this expenditure?

You bet! It's off topic here, so let me explain further in a new thread.

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IMO, a quarterly (every 3 months) "newsletter", thanking crunchers for their interest and citing important scientific progress (incl. link to R@H journal), significance of results and plans for the future, should keep the troops happy and motivate a lot of the inactive people to think about joining again. It should include a link to hints & tips e.g. on how to configure variable-runtime WUs, to reduce bandwidth.

IBM/WCG sent its quarterly newsletter a few days ago. Pretty nice one, afterall IBM isn't exactly new to marketing :-) I understand WCG sent another one to inactive members about 1 month ago and within a few days WCG made new highs in overall TFLOPS.

Does the Rosetta project operate some sort of mailing-list software?

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Yeah, grand idea. I've noticed that many members of my team sign on and crunch for awhile and then for whatever reason they drop off. It's not high on people's priority list and they retire or sell a computer and so on. A good mass email every 3 months or so would limit this attrition...

Good thinking, Dimitrius.

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I agree, a mass newsletter would do good.
You got my voice in, Dimitris.

- Trib'

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I like the periodic newsletter idea (although I personally DON'T check the box on the preferences list saying I want such EMails). I just wanted to point out that if you do that, and make it a consistent format... then make SURE and use some DIFFERENT format for the letter to inactive users. I think many people spend about 3 seconds on such an EMail, and so if the letter to inactive is DIFFERENT, then at least it doesn't get deleted just out of habit. We want that one to stand out and invoke a response.

Perhaps the newsletter could have project highlights, and then links back to the website for new hints and tips and suggested settings etc. The site could use some more readily available info. like that. This would help such info. and effort to serve double duty. Also shortens your letter. Keeps it positive, and easy/quick to read.

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OK, here's a list of URLs that presently get to the R@H site. Before we unleash any of them on the general public, what do folks prefer? Any of them easier to recall than others? Any others? (rah.org isn't available...)

https://boinc.bakerlab.org
http://rosettaathome.bakerlab.org
http://rah.bakerlab.org
http://rosetta.bakerlab.org
http://www.rosettaathome.org
http://rosettaathome.org

all w/ or w/o the "/rosetta" subdirectory......

I've asked the University of Washington for

http://rosettaathome.washington.edu

as well...

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http://rosettaathome.org gets my vote. Capitalize it (which doesn't effect the domain name portion of a URL) and you get this:
http://RosettaAtHome.Org
or even: http://RosettaAtHome.Org
and it's short and consistent with your logo. I mean if you were to pick a formal name for the project, I'd say it's the one on the logo.

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http://rosettaathome.org gets my vote. Capitalize it (which doesn't effect the domain name portion of a URL) and you get this:
http://RosettaAtHome.Org
or even: http://RosettaAtHome.Org
and it's short and consistent with your logo. I mean if you were to pick a formal name for the project, I'd say it's the one on the logo.

And it has the fallback of www.rosettathome.org for those who assume you need a www at the beginning of all urls.

-E

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RosettaAtHome.Org looks like the easiest to remember off that list. I'd tested www.rah.org before mentioning it.. just not used to people like Ross A. Hamilton who put up a blank web page for a few months in 2002 and continue paying for the domain even after taking the web site down. :)

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although rosettaathome.org is eye full on the brain, rosetta-at-home.org is easier (especially when passing and say on a bumper sticker. the 'at' in the middle makes it difficult to read.

though using boinc.bakerlab.org puts you higher up the list in the projects window in boincmnager ;-)

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although rosettaathome.org is eye full on the brain, rosetta-at-home.org is easier (especially when passing and say on a bumper sticker. the 'at' in the middle makes it difficult to read.

I agree that it's easier to read with the dashes. But I myself, when I later go to enter the URL, find I forget where to place them, and was it .edu or .com? Or .org? or .net? Perhaps the best idea would be to use BOTH! So if you spell out the same letters, with or without the dashes, it would get you there.

I might be good to hear from non-native English speakers too. How does this read in Dutch? Or German? Or French? ... or Aussie? :) Is "home" a word the public is familiar with in other languages? And "at home" a phrase they can remember and spell properly?

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although rosettaathome.org is eye full on the brain, rosetta-at-home.org is easier (especially when passing and say on a bumper sticker. the 'at' in the middle makes it difficult to read.

I agree that it's easier to read with the dashes. But I myself, when I later go to enter the URL, find I forget where to place them, and was it .edu or .com? Or .org? or .net? Perhaps the best idea would be to use BOTH! So if you spell out the same letters, with or without the dashes, it would get you there.

I might be good to hear from non-native English speakers too. How does this read in Dutch? Or German? Or French? ... or Aussie? :) Is "home" a word the public is familiar with in other languages? And "at home" a phrase they can remember and spell properly?

[warning]Dutch speaking guy passing by[/warning]
most people i know, know how to spel at home correcty.

but you got to watch out that they don't confuse it with the ISP atHome though

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With the rollout of 5.01, and it sounds like we're only a week or two away from having more frequent checkpointing... what do you think? Would it be better to just send a "Rosetta Update" EMail to ALL Rosetta crunchers, rather than just the inactive ones?

Describe the improvements in the models, CASP7 beginning, and the reduced error rates, and the better checkpointing and failsafes that have been incorporated into the client to assure no hangs. ...it might get currently active crunchers to install R@H on additional hosts, and might make people more comfortable devoting a higher resource share to Rosetta.

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I agree.
Would be a good thing to email all rosetta@home crunshers.

- trib'

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Personally, I never use formal URL internet addresses any more. Its a waste of time.

I checked "Rosetta@home" in Yahoo, Google, MSN, AOL, and Ask.com. Only the last didn't yield a first choice of boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta.

I think the best looking is Rosetta@home

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I think the best looking is Rosetta@home

I agree with your point, that people "search" for what they want, rather than entering a domain name... But "@" signs are not allowed in domain names. And if they were, it would be very confusing as compared to EMail addresses.

Besides, it wasn't on the list of those they already have. Did one of those strike your eye as better than the others?

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Hi,

I'd like to contribute to this letter thingy. However I think we need a project leader and better means of working together. I'd propose Feet1st as the letter-project-leader since he clearly is someone with a steady interest and contribution. Second I would prefer to draft a letter on a wiki-basis rather than in this thread.

So my suggestions for bringing this idea forward:

1. Let's select a project leader who makes the final decisions. I propose Feet1st.
2. Get an okay from David that he will send out a letter formulated by the community to inactive/all Rosetta-crunchers (first things first).
2. Let's set up a wiki-page (or ask someone for one temporary page for us in an existing wiki) and let's start formulating the letter. Discussions about the formulations will be made in the wiki as well.
3. Let's discuss other things in this thread or perhaps in a new one or in several ones.

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I'd propose Feet1st as the letter-project-leader since he clearly is someone with a steady interest and contribution. Second I would prefer to draft a letter on a wiki-basis rather than in this thread.

Thanks for your interest, and for your nomination. To answer first things first, I heard from Dr. Baker and he would very much like to send such a letter. Probably after the next version comes out here on R@H which kills the main bugs that were hanging people up. This would make the letter more appropriate to send to ALL R@H participants (after all, about half are also "inactive" anyway), which gives a project update, bug report, CASP plans, "thank you" etc.

I know nothing about Wiki's. I can learn. But, in general, I believe you will find there are 10 different ideas on the approach to take, and so the result will be Wiki change to approach 2, then back to 1, then 3 chimes in, then 2 replaces 3's text. And it can become more an excercise in pursuasion of the others to leave your ideas incorporated, than a helpful collaboration of efforts. I'll note that Gerry, the originator of this thread, has joined the Yahoo! volunteers group to collaborate and bounce ideas there rather than on the boards.

I'd prefer to draft such a letter in a smaller audience, and then present a final draft here on the boards for comment and revision before delivery to the project team. I feel this approach worked quit well for the tell-a-friend letter.

We can achieve this smaller audience via the Yahoo! Group I've created. Instructions to join are discussed here. And we may still use a Wiki to express our ideas to each other if you feel that's the best vehicle.

At present, we (the volunteers) are focused on a brief word about R@H to send to Einstein users, a BBC landing page which would also be appropriate for Einstein users to learn more about Rosetta, and with your help, we might have enough hands to take on the letter to users at the same time. And that essentially places either you or Gerry the leader of the R@H letter project, as at present, it has taken a backseat to these other efforts.

Please join us. Thanks again for your interest in helping out.

Crunch more Rosetta!

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Oh I didn't know about the Yahoogroup - that's already a more appropriate basis for coordinating our efforts. I just joined but forgot to mention "Rosetta thread 1266" - but I think you figure out that it's me. ;-)

The magic thing about wikis is that although in theory they can't work and if you try to think what will happen you can only imagine horror and chaos in practice they work very well. That's why I propose a wiki approach.

I try to find someone who lends us a wikipage for a while and make my proposals on the yahoogroup. I will get in contact in Gerry to see who will pursue this thing.

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