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Message 109470 - Posted: 18 Jul 2024, 10:28:17 UTC - in response to Message 109468.  

Some more work would be nice.
It's been freezing the last few mornings here, and the system has been keeping the lounge room almost comfortable.

But now it's out of work, and tomorrow morning if more work doesn't come along, it'll be almost as cold inside as it is outside (or an upgraded version over at Ralph & some new work there would be nice- either this or that, or even both would be nice).

Your post made me look for the first time exactly where Darwin is and, after checking on a weather site, discover your winter is still 2-4C higher than this English summer.
My sympathies are therefore quite limited, as well as thinking it's a rather inefficient way to heat the house.

While I understand and accept your reasoning for keeping a tight cache, I can only repeat my advice to change from setting a default runtime at Rosetta, which turns out to be only 3hrs, to making it explicitly 8hrs to match what Boinc thinks it is (at the point of download anyway). Not only would you get an extra 5hrs work, you would reduce your churn through tasks by almost two-thirds, marginally extending how long each batch of tasks will last, which is valuable when we see each batch run out before further tasks become available.

To emphasise the difference between me and you, I keep a 0.5 plus 0.1 cache and set a 12hr runtime.
So when I have 4-5hrs of tasks remaining, I already have 16 tasks (8C16T) cued up and another 16 can come down, which works out at 28-29hrs of work when Rosetta runs out.
At an 8hr runtime, this would still be 20-21hrs.
As compared to your maximum of 3hrs work while trying to gobble up tasks only at the last minute.
The difference is huge for one host and, the more people who make the runtime change I suggest, the longer batches of tasks would last and the shorterfewer periods without any on the whole site.

This is why I keep repeating myself. Everyone should do both yourselves and everyone else a favour imo,
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Message 109471 - Posted: 18 Jul 2024, 10:33:11 UTC - in response to Message 109469.  

Still... 'completed awaiting validation'...
More credits gone, along with electricity and time?

All credits do get caught up once the server is restarted. No time or energy lost.
Just a hiccup in when they get awarded which might take a day or two at most (but might also be just a few hours)
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Message 109472 - Posted: 19 Jul 2024, 6:39:57 UTC - in response to Message 109471.  

Just a hiccup in when they get awarded which might take a day or two at most (but might also be just a few hours)


Well, not so few hours...
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Message 109473 - Posted: 20 Jul 2024, 1:02:48 UTC - in response to Message 109472.  

Just a hiccup in when they get awarded which might take a day or two at most (but might also be just a few hours)

Well, not so few hours...

I looked earlier today. I think it came back about 10hrs after your post, so between 1 & 2 days.
I think I saw the whole site go down (again) a few hours before too.
Everything seems so fragile.
No new tasks yet, but I've picked up a few resends through the day
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Message 109475 - Posted: 21 Jul 2024, 19:01:59 UTC - in response to Message 109468.  

Try putting another shrimp on the barbie.
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Message 109477 - Posted: 23 Jul 2024, 18:17:18 UTC - in response to Message 109475.  

Try putting another shrimp on the barbie.


And wined the Ken up?
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Message 109478 - Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 11:49:22 UTC

I wonder if they've got data centre issues?

Server Status page shows, well, next to nothing (although Ralph still shows everything's ok).
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Message 109479 - Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 14:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 109478.  

I wonder if they've got data centre issues?
Server Status page shows, well, next to nothing (although Ralph still shows everything's ok).


Well, it's summer
The servers went on vacation
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Message 109481 - Posted: 24 Jul 2024, 23:10:31 UTC - in response to Message 109478.  

'Project down for maintenance' messages being issued for over 24hrs
While all tasks are pretty much completed this sounds like the best time
Servers being randomly up and down over a considerable period, it does need a thorough going over
Let's hope they find and resolve everything...
...and have a whole bunch of tasks waiting for us on completion

I can dream
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Message 109482 - Posted: 25 Jul 2024, 6:56:33 UTC - in response to Message 109481.  
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Servers being randomly up and down over a considerable period, it does need a thorough going over
Let's hope they find and resolve everything...


As i said in another thread, i don't know if the servers are the ones described in server status page, (maybe the page is not updated).
But, if it was true, their sw are VERY old and no longer supported (File system: ZFS on Linux v0.7, OS: Ubuntu Server 16.04)
The latest version of Ubuntu Server is 24.04 LTS and ZFS is 2.2.4 (now OpenZFS)

I know, i know.....the update/upgrade of the servers are not easy and without worries, but maybe it's the time....[/i]
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Message 109485 - Posted: 28 Jul 2024, 15:22:00 UTC

See you in September...
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Message 109486 - Posted: 28 Jul 2024, 15:47:48 UTC - in response to Message 109482.  

Servers being randomly up and down over a considerable period, it does need a thorough going over
Let's hope they find and resolve everything...

As I said in another thread, I don't know if the servers are the ones described in server status page, (maybe the page is not updated).
But, if it was true, their sw is VERY old and no longer supported (File system: ZFS on Linux v0.7, OS: Ubuntu Server 16.04)
The latest version of Ubuntu Server is 24.04 LTS and ZFS is 2.2.4 (now OpenZFS)

I know, I know.....the update/upgrade of the servers are not easy and without worries, but maybe it's time...

I remember when they updated those servers after previous problems. so I'm inclined to think the information remains accurate...
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Message 109487 - Posted: 28 Jul 2024, 22:42:42 UTC

The lights are on, but is anybody home?
It's been 3 weeks, and still no updated application over at Ralph. And here all but a couple of servers have been MIA for over a week.
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Message 109488 - Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 11:52:11 UTC - in response to Message 109487.  

On the plus-side, it's summer here, so less compute-Watts results in less cooling costs.
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Message 109490 - Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 16:26:32 UTC - in response to Message 109486.  

I remember when they updated those servers after previous problems...


How many years ago?? :-P
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Message 109491 - Posted: 29 Jul 2024, 18:50:55 UTC

I have found another issue.
When i open news board and switch to page 2 it becomes empty
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_forum.php?id=202&sort=5&start=50
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Message 109492 - Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 1:45:00 UTC - in response to Message 109482.  


But, if it was true, their sw are VERY old and no longer supported (File system: ZFS on Linux v0.7, OS: Ubuntu Server 16.04)
The latest version of Ubuntu Server is 24.04 LTS and ZFS is 2.2.4 (now OpenZFS)

I know, i know.....the update/upgrade of the servers are not easy and without worries, but maybe it's the time....[/i]


The problem is all the tweaks that most projects put in often get moved around in the newer versions so the notes people left are often pretty useless without a lot of hunting and pecking to find where things are now. And then apparently some things are in multiple places so if you don't change them ALL things don't work like you want them too, In short it's far from smooth especially when some projects run thru Admins like water so putting it off until you can't wait any longer is often better than tackling it little by little over the next 6 months or more.
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Message 109493 - Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 2:46:23 UTC - in response to Message 109490.  

I remember when they updated those servers after previous problems...

How many years ago?? :-P

You set me off to look.
I think it was somewhere around June 2017
Does that match those software versions?
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Message 109494 - Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 7:10:21 UTC - in response to Message 109492.  

The problem is all the tweaks that most projects put in often get moved around in the newer versions so the notes people left are often pretty useless without a lot of hunting and pecking to find where things are now. And then apparently some things are in multiple places so if you don't change them ALL things don't work like you want them too


The project has continuously problems.
We are willing to bear the problems of a migration/upgrade. (they have also a beta project - Ralph - to try)
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Message 109495 - Posted: 30 Jul 2024, 7:19:52 UTC - in response to Message 109493.  

I remember when they updated those servers after previous problems...

How many years ago?? :-P

You set me off to look.
I think it was somewhere around June 2017
Does that match those software versions?
Roughly.
Ubuntu Server 16.04 was released on 21 April 2016.
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